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Old 13-08-2008, 08:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Near Courville sur Eure, France. Thought this was a Buzzard at first, but not so sure, it was a long way off by the time I managed to stop, but it was quite close initially and certainly was in the same ball park size wise.
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Old 13-08-2008, 08:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Juvenile Marsh Harrier Rolf.

Any idea on the status if this species in France, in particular where you took the photograph or perhaps areas you visit over there. I'd be interested and obliged on this Rolf if possible.


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Thanks for that, I'll try and find out Pete, unfortunately I have no birding contacts there.

It was initially at the side of the road, but took off as we approached, certainly a handsome bird.

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Well spotted Rolf Nice captures

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Don't go to too much trouble on this Rolf, I will do some research myself and save you the trouble. That said.....every little helps.

By the way you are right about the size comparison to Buzzard, more or less the same but our largest 'harrier' and an impressive bird which breeds annually at Leighton Moss (down the road from me) for example.


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It was a Harrier day for us, as we were particularly looking out for the pair of local Hen Harriers, the best we could get on them were the following shots, as they only ever seemed to be moving away.
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Don't want to get too technical here Rolf but the first pic is of a male, the second and third are of 'ring-tails' so called because females and juveniles are difficult to separate but both have 4/5 black bands in the tail. The third pic appears too pointed in the wing to have been a Hen Harrier but I take your word Rolf and wouldn't do otherwise, obviously a trick of photography of some sort.

You can't help but to have been excited at the sight of these, I know I was recently when I watched three together on moorland just east of my home, the number together was a first for me......great stuff, you simply never know whats around the corner in birding, a greater part of the excitment.


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Do you mean the fifth picture Pete?

There were a group of several birds, we assumed that probably a couple were young ones, one of them could have well been something else, I thought that the last one looked more Kestrel like in wing shape, but this was all done at a distance.

PS. Just checked the data on the photos and the first four are the same bird, as the shots were all taken within four seconds as I followed the flight path of the bird.

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Apologies Rolf, got this completely wrong but please don't ask how come, maybe I'm taking the wrong tablets.

Run out of time now but will certainly put my response right to these interesting pics tomorrow......see you then!


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OK will start again Rolf.

The first three are all of the same bird as you say which is a 'ring-tail' Hen Harrier, so called as previously explained. However the second pic appears lighter underneath which is why I suggested a male but your info says I'm wrong which means a trick of light on the image. Your last pic suggests a bird with sharper wings than a 'harrier' which fits the Kestrel you thought it may have been.

Like I said Rolf birds don't come much more exciting than the 'harriers' .


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Yes, I spent ages on my previous visit to France watching a male making low level sorties over a field of oilseed rape, unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me.

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Well captured Rolf. Must have been very exciting

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